The last catamount in Vermont is finally, officially, certainly dead. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. So there's even debate about that very subject. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. What kind of animal is that. Possible Mountain Lion Sighting in New Hampshire CONCORD, N.H. -- The New Hampshire Fish and Game Department today reported that one of its staff members, following up on a routine report of a mountain lion sighting, saw what is believed to be a mountain lion in a rural area of Barnstead, N.H. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, In latest school funding trial, state attorneys argue NH districts' budgets are bloated, Lawmakers, advocates, families in NH react to Biden Admin's proposed Title IX change, Give Back NH: The New England Grassroots Environment Fund, NHs housing crisis is pushing more older adults to seek help, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings". Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Caller: Hi. lewis structure for ch2cl. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. So let's let's go to the phones. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. brings a lot of. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. It was not a bobcat. I'm Peter Biello. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. When the federal Endangered Species Act came along, the Eastern Cougar (Puma concolor cougar), the subspecies of Mountain Lon ti hat orgi inally occurred So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. So what a neat experience. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. John you're on the air. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. Is this kind of a typical story. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. Think you've seen a mountain lion? I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Okay. Have you seen one. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. It doesn't happen as much anymore. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? She is renowned for tracking. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. Something along those lines. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Artculos cientficos; Artculos de divulgacin; Menu So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. State officials have said, over and over in recent years, that the eastern mountain lion has been completely wiped out from the Northeast. There was a lot of DNA evidence. Well within there. They just end up in these places. I think that you probably are. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. MicroBios. Wes Siler. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. It's good to talk to you. Like why would you want one wildlife. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Home; Archivos. More than 450 Facebook users as of Thursday had shared a photo Marc Weir posted Wednesday showing the big cat and . Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal . Cougars are believed to have died off in New Hampshire in the 1880s after deforestation and hunting drove them to extinction, according to the 1950s book "A History of New Hampshire Game. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. Thanks for calling. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. Mountain lion or cat running across. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. I saw a mountain lion on my property in NE corner of Dutchess County about 6 years ago -- the cat (or a cat) had been spotted many times over the years and was believed to have been introduced and escaped from a nearby Hunting Preserve. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. It's listed as population of least concern. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Caller: Oh yeah. Thank you very much for listening. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. Give today. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. Peter Biello: Ok. Right. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. Or years or so. The last wild mountain lion in New Hampshire may have been killed in the White Mountains in 1885. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. Can we go to the site. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. The report came in from a conservation officer. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. And they were using all the habitat. Peter Biello: Hmm. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Mike thanks for your call. Thanks for your call. for some excitement. This animal, IMHO, was probably live caught as an adult from the wild and brought to the . Deer manages to free itself from the claws of a mountain lion in Alpine, California. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. New Hampshire Public Radio | Fish and Game then deny the evidence. This is the exchange. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Your support makes this news available to everyone. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain lion sightings in the Northeast, although most have been thought to be escaped captive animals. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. For all the men out there that don't realize it. Mike you're on the air. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. I mean it wasn't your idea. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. They peaked in . Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Think you've seen a mountain lion. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Peter Biello: Oh okay. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. They sent it already. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Jun 13, 2011. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. What Really Caused Washington's Cougar Attack. I just want to tell you a story that I read. Your support makes this news available to everyone. And the cougar embodies that. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Let us know your story and share your photos! The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Well they are the same. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain. We'll be right back. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. Tim Yeah. But those who called the New Hampshire Fish and Game officer were told the last time a mountain lion was seen in the state was in the 1850s, and it's unlikely they have made a return. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Rick van de Poll: Yes. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. We're not in the woods. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. Caller: Are probably. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. 50 feet above the most. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. John is calling from Bennington. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. Does not test random Scouts. Good morning guys. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. Well let's talk a little bit about that. So what those ranges. Thanks for taking my call. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. But no proof was offered. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Mountain lion DNA was recovered from a Petersham, Mass., close to the New Hampshire border, after a 2016 incident in which a horse was injured. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. In recent years, number of reported cougar sightings has never dropped below double digits, according to data from New Hampshire's Fish & Game Department from 2010 to present day. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. The Idaho Department of Fish and Game last week killed a mountain lion that entered a Hailey family's chicken coop, marking the third time the agency has killed a mountain lion in the Wood River . Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. I found a second scat scent both to him. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. Thanks very much. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. On a dirt road. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Yes. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. So. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. Is that typically what was happening there. New Hampshire Public Radio | May 23 . Part II. We'd love to have you in the queue. SYCAMORE, Ill. (AP) A mountain lion that was struck and killed last weekend along a northern Illinois highway will be analyzed by biologists seeking to uncover the rare animal's origins, state . And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. We had six copies printed out each. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Just. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. They're just moving around freely. The last wild mountain lion in New Hampshire may have been killed in the White Mountains in 1885. And it was unmistakable. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched.
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