John (SnakeEye) of VarmintsForFun.com hopes Lapua does produce 20 VarTarg brass: "That will open up a whole new world in the little 20s. #2666026 - 04/01/14 08:14 AM Re: Forming 20 practical with RCBS Dies/equipment [ Re: dogduster204 ] You have to use the bushing die so you can neck down to 20 cal.It takes more than one step so you need to change size of bushing and your regular 223 die cant do that. The Hornady V-MAX bullets and the Sierra BlitzKing tend to be equally explosive and both fragment very well. Very light recoil in most cases allows the shooter to see the target being hit (or missed). This die worked perfectly to form 20Tac brass from .223. The custom Lee collet die with a seater die is a real good solution - I might get both. The OD is .256 I removed the expander and sized with the .233 bushing and then checked the ID, the ID now measures .200 with .014 wall thickness! The only way I can think of that the expander would rub, before the bushing has touched the neck, would be the neck wall is so thick it can't expand enough to make the hole in the neck as big as the diameter of the bullet when fired. I have read all sorts of things. This is my first wild cat so I wanted to ask a few questions before I get started. I came to much prefer the latter as the first was somewhat unsatisfactory and the second left an unsightly wrinkle behind the shoulder. I've been thinking about having a 20 practical made. All my Brass is LC. A variety of powders are available for use with the .20 Tactical cartridge; some worked better than others in VanDenburgs test rifle. 2023 Whidden Gunworks All Rights Reserved, Click Adjustable Sizer & Micrometer Seater Set. Cooper is well along on this small-caliber journey and chambers its rifles for many of the .17- and .20-caliber cartridges. With the factory brass, Tac 20 shooters won't need their form dies anymore, and, in all likelihood, a separate fire-forming process will become superfluous. With the right load, you can get Max velocities with 32- and 40-grainers that give up little or nothing to the .204 Ruger. I went out yesterday and worked from 26.5-27.5, 26.5 was about 3700, 27 was about 3830 and 27.5 was about 3925. Lets get started. Posted By: sherm_61 Re: 20 Practical Reloading - 01/05/22. Woa will do some custom work within reason. Todd Kindler reports great accuracy with N120 and the Sierra 32-grainer, running close to 3800 fps. 20 VARTARGThe 20 VarTarg (VARmint/TARGet) is another 20-Caliber cartridge designed by Todd Kindler for varmint hunting. How does the size of the bushing affect it, on the way in? Brownell's has a .20 Hornady seater die, in stock, for $29.99 - look for Hornady dies/die sets for any/all .20 calibers. The Berger 30gr and 35gr Flat Base bullets tend to fragment more than the 40gr or 50gr Berger Boat-Tails. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine, http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-eqsku=749-002-388, http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-eqsku=749-002-155. Based on the .223 Remington parent case, the Tactical 20 is simply the .223 necked down to 20 Caliber with a 30-degree shoulder. You can easily make 20 practical dies out of .204 Ruger dies by grinding or turning about .100 off the Base of the dies. Get the right 20 Tactical Dies or 20 Tactical Die Sets for your press here at Midsouth. Right now Remington is the only source of parent .221 Fireball brass. . All this adds up to economy as light bullets cost less than heavy ones, and small charges stretch powder budgets satisfyingly. We've run the ballistics for a range of start velocities, so you can compare different cartridges. Thank you for the help. You may also find that some brands may shoot very well, but only if you sort the bullets by weight or base to ogive length first. may be contacted via his website www.6mmAR.com. Submit your own rating by logging in. Posts: 781 A search here could bring up lots of good data, no expert but I'll give you my 2 cents. There seemed to be a pattern emerging. We understand early in a rifle build fired brass may not be available. We suggest you try both and use the brand that shoots better in your rifle. $20.00 223 seater die works just fine to seat bullets. $69.99. After the .228 bushing it still measures .200 ID. Unless the neck is too tight or brass is too thick. Since wind drift is a function of ballistic coefficient and time of flight, such cartridges as the .20 Tactical tend to shoot flatter, with less wind drift and do it quieter and at lower cost than comparable .22-caliber cartridges. About the cost of the parts to build. No mechanical mods are required to your AR, other than a barrel change. While researching on how to make the brass, it seems everyone talks about using a Redding 223 FL die set with bushings and a 204 decapping rod assembly. The full length (FL) resizing die contains a decapping rod assembly with a neck expander (size button). Ballistics Data was generated with Sierra's Infinity Software Vers. Finally, the case is run into the full-length .20 Tactical sizing die that sets the shoulder back and makes the cases ready for fireforming. We have Tactical dies for sale, from great brands like Forster, Hornady, Lee, Lyman, RCBS, and Redding Reloading Products. The adjustable decapping rod allows you to adjust the bushing position, sizing only part of the neck length when desire d . This McGowan barrel shoots pretty well with the 32g Noslers HP, and WC844. Less than 5 in stock Item #: RED78660 REDDING 20 TAC TYPE-S ELITE BUSHING 3-DIE SET . Woa is a very good source for the 20 Practical. This enables neck sizing without the use of the size button for those who sort and/or turn case necks for uniformity. Click Here to VIEW Ballistics Tables. The rifle is very well made, and the stock is the most beautiful Ive ever seen on a factory rifle. Among single-base, extruded powders, Hodgdon H-322 and Vihtavuori N130 produced the best results for me, with IMR-4198 and Accurate 2015 not far behind. Other than a custom die set or a 223 bushing die, how would you form and resize for a 20 Practical? The VarTarg may be the smallest 20-Caliber cartridge in our survey, but it comes up big in efficiency. To narrow focus to reloading the .20 Tactical cartridge, lets begin with the rifle. The middle two are 20 Tactical (39gr TNT and 40gr V-Max), 223 on the right. The .20 Practical project is now in the ammo production phase. JavaScript is disabled. I think it's part number 14206. I've always thought that the 20 VarTarg would make a very accurate benchrest round with good brass. I shoot suppressed and have a side charge setup to keep the gas out of my eyes and an adjustable gas block on both. 20 practical case forming I am gathering the parts for my 20 practical AR. I also feel the expander touching going in on my .228 bushing. We understand early in a rifle build fired brass may not be available. All I can feel when shooting it suppressed is the action running. The action is blued; the barrel is stainless steel, in a matte finish, 26 inches long with a one-in-12-inch twist. We've compiled complete ballistics tables for the most popular Berger, Hornady, and Sierra Bullets, with drop and wind-drift calculated from 100 to 500 yards. Its difficult to imagine a small capacity rifle case that hasnt been necked up or down to .20 caliber. You can start with .223 Rem brass, and just size down the necks with a neck-bushing die. These are available in Flat-Base, Short Boat-tail, and Full Boat-tail designs in weights ranging from 30 to 50 grains. However, the same rifle may like the Sierra 39 grain BlitzKing. The author has had great results using Redding dies with Hornady Unique Case Lube, while others prefer Imperial Sizing Die Wax. Are they pretty close? I have about 5k of it sitting around from the 80's. See page 13 for additional information on crimp dies. . I see Hornady makes dies for the 20 Tactical, but then do you need the form die? 20 practical Die set up on progressive DeadWoodDan Jan 17, 2018 DeadWoodDan Jan 17, 2018 #1 Attempting to be efficient and utilize what I have on hand. When it came to powders, a bakers dozen that had been given some play in published data was selected. Reduced to two powders, Id go with H-322 and VV-N130. Ive been assured that my one-in-12-inch barrel twist will stabilize all bullet weights up through 45 grains. selling ammunition, reloading supplies and accessories. I mostly use my Hornady L-n-L progressive press and has given me groups that satisfy my needs (at this time). If you have questions or need help with ordering feel free to email us at: CustomDies@whiddengunworks.com. Most of the credit must go to the fine Cooper rifle and good bullets, but the cartridge design is certainly entitled to its share. How much speed you getting from your tactical? Of the lot, I have to admit having developed a particular fondness for one of them: the .20 Tactical. The real beauty of the .20s, however, is in the numbers ballistic coefficient (BC) numbers, to be specific. Also if you have a regular 223 die you can use that without the decapper/expander for the first step and only need the final bushing to finish. Every rifle, powder, primer combination may shoot one brand of bullet or one weight range more accurately than another. The past few years you have seen the introduction of many new sets like the National Match, Master Hunter and the Premiums as a result of changing trends in the category and stated desires of the customer base. Full Length Die Sets For Bottleneck Cases Full length die sets for bottleneck cases contain two dies. Both have rifle length gas systems if I am at the bench I like the 26 much better if I am in the RZR I like the 20". We can use a reamer print to produce the dies however, if the dies are manufactured and are not compatible with your rifles chamber, Whidden Gunworks will not be responsible for replacement dies or refund. Also this will be perfect for the 17 m 4 as all you would need to do is run it in a 17 m 4 FL die, no other forming. At this time we are not able to make dies with radius shoulders such as cartridge designs by Weatherby. Support Our SPONSORS Optimizing the AR15 as a Varmint Rifle We offer Custom Sizers, Seaters, Hydraulic Form Dies and Trim Dies from .20 Caliber to .408. The white oak barrels are all heavy contour as well, not sure what contour youre after. I have some 32g Nosler HP and some WC844. Currently, Cooper Arms of Montana and Dakota Arms offer factory rifles in 20 VarTarg. I feel the expander dragging on the way out with the .233, not a lot but enough. These bushings are also free-floating to self- center on the case neck for a higher degree of sizing accuracy. You have to use the bushing die so you can neck down to 20 cal.It takes more than one step so you need to change size of bushing and your regular 223 die cant do that. For its 55-grain BT, Berger recommends a one-in-8-inch or faster twist. Which Bullet Should I Use?When selecting bullets, the general rule of thumb is "let the rifle decide what bullet it likes". #2666026 - 04/01/14 08:14 AM Re: Forming 20 practical with RCBS Dies/equipment [ Re: dogduster204 ] You have to use the bushing die so you can neck down to 20 cal.It takes more than one step so you need to change size of bushing and your regular 223 die cant do that. Some precision shooters like to start with Lapua brass. Access from your Country was disabled by the administrator. Do you mean the ball drags on the way in after its been sized with the .233, or that fired brass drags on the way in when you use the .226 bushing? If you are the site owner (or you manage this site), please whitelist your IP or if you think this block is an error please open a support ticket and make sure to include the block details (displayed in the box below), so we can assist you in troubleshooting the issue. Looking for 18 6mm ARC barrel, but theres a catch. Worked perfectly. I want an 18" 20 practical, what gas length and twist rate? Shipping: One flat fee of $12.95 per online order. #2 01-16-2013, 03:21 AM bowfisher. Upon completion your brass will be returned to you with your Custom Die. The answer is no. This necks down the .223 brass to .20 caliber. Here is a five shot with brass ran through the die again, and a 5 shot with brass out of the bag @ 27.5g of WC844 with the 32g Noslers, out of my 18" barrel. We have found the best method to make Custom dies is to use your fired brass from the rifles chamber. selling ammunition, reloading supplies and accessories. The decapper you listed is for a regular size die, not the type s. Sinclair has all this stuff. I've been thinking about having a 20 practical made. Use a Redding Type S 223 dies, and use 2 seperate bushings to neck down to 20 cal. The decapping rod is supplied with a standard size button. I think it's part number 14206. yes they will fit. I also wondered if my big bag of Winchester brass I had dug out off the bin and sized annealed was the culprit, or if I had sized all that Win brass with the bigger bushing I have that didn't give me enough neck tension and didn't shoot well. I ordered an 18" light contour 20 Practical barrel from Mcowen. Redding Reloading Equipment has once again established a new die set based on customer feedback. Upon return, we bead blast, hand polish, inspect and process for shipping so please ensure you factor in the turnaround time when ordering. Reloading die manufacturers have been forced to design the neck diameter of their dies small enough to accommodate the thinnest possible brass. Once the entire batch is made, we send them out to be hardened via a carburized heat treat process to ensure a lifetime of use. Without their load data, wise advice, and invaluable assistance, this page could not have been created. For example, the Hornady 40-grain V-MAX has a published BC of .275; that of the Sierra 39-grain BlitzKing is .287. Thanks! At the same time, it appears some rise above the norm. What started as a small dream has become a multi-million dollar international business $205.99. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. The expander ball is smaller than the bullet. The lighter .20-caliber bullets can be propelled faster too, depending on the cartridge involved. And this may be a dumb question but if I have to go the Redding route, with that die fit/function in a RCBS press? Size the case in a Redding .223 Full Length Bushing Die using a .226 bushing placed in the die label side up - the bushing must be free to move slightly inside the die to ensure it is self centering. It may not display this or other websites correctly. A different brand of cases, I suspect. Click Here to download a .pdf version of Todd Kindler's 20 VarTarg article (from Dakota Arms).No special dies are need to form 20 VarTarg brass. Not sure, I'm going to remove the expander and take some measurements. No mechanical mods are required to your AR, other than a barrel change. The 20 Practical feeds and functions 100% reliably with standard AR15 magazines. The Tactical 20 is easy to load and exceptionally accurate. Although we have heard no complaint about the Berger bullets no being explosive enough, polymer tip bullets (Hornady and Sierra) tend to be more explosive than the Berger, but maybe not quite as accurate. A decapping pin retainer is also supplied with most Type S - Bushing Dies except 17 and 20 Cal. I've been getting 1-1/2 to 2 thousandths with my .225 bushing that I use for my two 20 Practical bolt guns. You must log in or register to reply here. Bullet SelectionBy far, the most popular 20-Caliber bullets are the factory-made pills from Berger, Hornady and Sierra. Dies & Reloading Tools. Ambient temperature changes, powder lot variations, and differences in barrel friction can result in significantly increased pressures. While researching on how to make the brass, it seems everyone talks about using a Redding 223 FL die set with bushings and a 204 decapping rod assembly. The bolt face completely encloses the head of the cartridge. One tip - trim after forming, not before, since the first pass in the die actually shortens the brass a little when the shoulder gets pushed back to the 30 degree angle. I have a RCBS 223 FL die set for my RCBS press. The latter came in handy for setting exact overall cartridge length for the various bullets used. Warren's cartridge was aptly named. I like to run rifle length on 18" 223s. Use a Redding Type S 223 dies, and use 2 seperate bushings to neck down to 20 cal. I wouldnt Count them out just because its not on their website. We offer dies sets for some of the most accurate wild-cat rounds that you will not find anywhere . I haven't seen anyone that has a procedure with RCBS equipment. I have read all sorts of things. I've been thinking about having a 20 practical made. . So with the 20 Practical you do less work, you shell out a lot less money, yet you give up nothing in performance. Nor is there a need for neck turning. 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