It would not go 20 rounds without overheating the barrel and experiencing velocity excursions. This bullet was good in its day and set the tone for the .17s reputation as an excellent pelt caliber. Chamfer and deburr the mouth of the case, run it through the full-length resizing die and the case is ready for fire forming with a reduced powder charge (I use a 20-grain bullet seated over 11.0 grains of H4198). were shipped to Australian fox hunters than to dealers in the United States because it did not damage pelts as much as larger calibers. This bullet, seated to a 1.81-inch OAL, also started turning in better groups. Blackout loads were extrapolated from .221 Fireball loads tested before, velocities indicating these loads came out about right, with velocities mirroring other powder choices. Alliant Reloder 7, Hodgdon H-322 and Ramshot TAC were paired with this bullet. Hornady Load Data Using .17 Remington Bullets: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Subscriber Services. The 20-grain Varmageddon by Nosler is a classic cup-and-core hollowpoint that provides a great option for high-volume, budget-conscious varmint shooters. Have you tried H322? At those velocities, drift isnt as significant as some would lead you to believe, either. Hammer Bullets' 18 grain Dead Blow is another excellent nontoxic (California compliant) option milled from a single piece of copper. This little gem was introduced originally by Remington in 1971, though similar wildcats had undoubtedly existed for many years prior. After that, the die is set for head-spacing on the shoulder of the case. The powder weights for all the loads but one listed in the table were weighed as precisely as I could on a balance scale. And Aaron,thanks for your info too. Slightly compressed charges often deliver the lowest shot-to-shot variations in velocity, while dropping much below 90 percent can result in high velocity spreads. According to my measurements, its gravimetric density is 0.980 gram per cubic centimeter, the same as for water. After looking at load data for the 17 Mach IV and looking at Quickload, it seems something in the burn rate of IMR 4198, Vihta Vuori N110, Alliant 2400, Alliant Reloader 7, Hodgdon Lil'Gun, Alliant Blue Dot, and IMR 4227 would meet the requirement. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Reloder 10x performed exceptionally, assembling .40- and .55-inch groups at 3,950 and 4,051 fps providing an excellent combination of accuracy and velocity. Ackley describes the .17 Hornet as sort of an improved .22 Hornet necked down to .17 caliber. Neither possessing the generalist appeal of the working class .223, nor the macho western appeal of the .22/250, the .17 caliber usually appeals to a different setthe specialists, such as fur hunters, the tinkerers, and the people who seek enjoyment off the beaten path. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Possibly one of the best varmint load - consistently under 1/4" at 100 yards is 75 grain Sierra (Speer and Remington shoot well too) with 58 grains IMR4350. To be completely upfront, Im not a Maserati man. My best load with the 20gn V-Max was 10gn of Lil Gun for a sizzling 3699fps, but 10gn of AR2205 gave a handy 3535fps and WIN-296 did 3550fps. It varied among the three bullets tried. That partial, full-length sizing helps reduce the stretch of firing and the squeeze of sizing to extend case life. Starting and maximum charges vary slightly in the Hornady manual, but no more than to be expected from different lots of the same powders or slight differences in barrels, cases and bullets. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. If looking to acquire an automated powder-charge dispensing unit to speed up precision reloading, don't judge the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite powder scale and dispenser by its name; the Little Green machine packs a heavy-weight punch with speed and accuracy. As mentioned, the .17 was first brought to market with a 25-grain Power Lokt Hollow Point. Seventeen-caliber cartridges have always fascinated a certain group of handloaders for some mystical reason. Ackleys little cartridge, but loading CFE BLK is faster because it flows through a good powder measure with much greater uniformity in charge weight. For called-in coyotes, I switch to the 30-grain Berger, but I prefer the 25-grain V-Max for longer shots. His bullets are also exceptionalnot only accurate, but very effective terminally. I had enough primed cases left over for exactly four-shot strings, and one does not waste primers these days. Whether in a rifle or a long-range handgun, the 221 Fireball is one of my favorite varmint cartridges, mainly due to its accuracy and a small appetite for powder. It is a very small bore, very high-pressure round and as such, it fouls just like a similar, larger cartridge (think .22/250 or .220 Swifteven the .204 Ruger). The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. Pat Mundy Like I said, different rifles, different preferences in primers. . The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. My most accurate loading/Rifle is a rare Remington 700 VSS with the factory 26" heavy stainless barrel. The original powder charge was then poured back in, and the factory bullet was seated to the original overall cartridge length of 1.712 inches. The bolt on one would not close, and though the bolt on the other rifle would close, the fit was so tight a steady diet of that ammo would eventually cause galling of the locking lugs. Muzzle flash in a 10.75-inch barrel is minimal, while touching off a charge of LilGun is remindful of how the 221 Fireball got its name. vs 9.3x62 Cartridge Clash, Browning SA-22 Challenge Semiauto Rimfire: Its History and a Review, 6 Best .300 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles, How Rifle-Shot Recoil Affects Scopes, Rings and Bases, Kimber Hunter Pro Desolve Blak - A Lightweight Heavy Hitter, Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown Lever Rifle, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review, Review: Springfield Armory M1A Loaded Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Review: Not 'Lite' on Ability, Remington Model Seven SS HS Bolt-Action Rifle Review. Don't recall the load but it didn't shoot very well. The SCAR 15P is chambered for 5.56 NATO and, with its 7.5-inch barrel, is the most compact SCAR to date. Today, they are down to one offeringa 25-grain Varmint Hollowpointand its a very accurate projectile. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. They are not the most accurate bullet of the bunch. When shooting ground squirrels and prairie dogs with a bolt-action rifle, I seldom use its magazine anyway. The shoulder diameter of the Hornady case is also a bit wider in diameter than the Ackley. The Judge has been promoted! The Sierra 40-grain Hornet is also quite good. Same goes for the Mach IV and Fireball, although the velocity difference between the two bullet weights is less in them. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! The Hodgdons 2012 Annual Manual and the Hodgdon website list about the same maximum loads for the .17 Ackley Hornet and .17 Hornet with some powders. Ben Voss FN Product Manager talks about the new FN SCAR 15P ultra-compact rifle-caliber pistol at SHOT Show 2023. Either powder is an excellent choice for P.O. Ballistic coefficients of those with plastic tips are considerably higher than the hollowpoints. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. . Savage Impulse Big Game Straight-Pull Bolt-Action Rifle: Full Review, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, .375 H&H Mag. After shooting 80 Hornady loads one afternoon, I soaked the CZs bore with solvent for a day and then gave it a good scrubbing with a bronze brush. Like those bullets, the Sierra 40- and 45-grain Hornets expand on varmints quite nicely, but since they do not have flat noses, no more than one should be loaded in the tubular magazine of a lever-action rifle. Accurate 2460 shot 20- and 25-grain bullets a good 250 fps faster than other powders loaded in the .17 Fireball, and with great accuracy. Medium-fast powders including Hodgdons Benchmark, H-4198, H-322 and CFE BLK, IMR-8280 XBR, Western Powders Ramshot X-Terminator and TAC, Accurates LT-30 and A-2200, Alliants Reloder 10x and 7, Shooters World Blackout and Vihtavuori N133 were chosen for a combination of clean-burning characteristics and maximum velocities. If the rifle is accurate, one really has to be "off the playing field" to assemble handloads that won't shoot. 23.5 grn. Bergers 25 grain Flat Base Varmint was chosen to represent the 25 grain weight class after noting exceptional accuracy in other calibers with this bullet. Of the two, the .17 HMR is far and away the most popular. Likewise, only a few models exist for Hornady's new .17 Hornet, and rare too are rifles currently chambered in the uncommon but long-lived .17 Remington. Taking a bit more time at the loading bench can avoid a problem later at the range. The new big bore pistols feature industry-first capacity, with a standard 15-round capacity and 22+1 rounds of 10mm or 18+1 rounds of .45 ACP from the extended magazines. Determined to include a Berger 30-grain load in this report, I asked my friends at Hodgdon to shoot it in their 24-inch pressure barrel. When it comes down to velocity, the .17 Rem. I began my shooting tests by using Barnes CR-10 solvent to ensure no copper fouling lurked in the barrels of the test guns. Stocky's Owner Don Bitz walks David Faubion through the company's new rifle stocks for 2023. A friend of mine has two custom rifles in 17 Hornet, and accuracy from one is best with the Remington 6, while the other prefers the Winchester WSR. And accuracy improved with a shorter jump in my handloads. When a Redding Handgun/Small Rifle measure is set to throw 20.0 grains of CFE BLK, it throws 16.3 grains of IMR 4198. When developing its version of the .17 Hornet, Hornady shortened the .22 Hornet case about 0.050 inch to make overall cartridge length compatible with the magazines of existing rifles in .22 Hornet. The first one was the .17 Hornet, closely followed by the .17 Bee and later by the .17/222.. The first 10 rounds were outstanding. If i had a bunch of those bullets i would try IMR 4320. Following are the Average Overall Group Size test results for the various .17 caliber rimfire rifles reviewed by Guns and Shooting Online (measured in inches). The plastic tip increases ballistic coefficients for flatter long-range trajectories and initiates dismantling impacts on small varmints. Seventeen-caliber rifles are just a little bit magic. 17 Remington cartridge with a 24 inch barrel makes 3900-4000 fps very easy with IMR 4198. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. Small powder charges result in cleaner shooting than the .17 Remington though all .17-caliber cartridges require frequent barrel cleaning to assure continued accuracy. Case life is long, and barrel life is normally around 7,000 or 8,000 rounds (at least for minute-of-varmint accuracy) due largely to the modest pressures and rather small powder charges. Use a Rem 7 1/2 primer. Price: $280 to $350-ish As with the above V-Max-equipped offerings, this load is best relegated to targets and non-edible species. If looking to acquire an automated powder-charge dispensing unit to speed up precision reloading, don't judge the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite powder scale and dispenser by its name; the Little Green machine packs a heavy-weight punch with speed and accuracy. The Nosler 20-grain bullet was happiest at 0.015 inch. The 527s barrel is slender with a diameter of just over .5 inch at the muzzle. He admitted to being stuck in his ways and did very little changing. Running the cases through a 17 Ackley Hornet full-length resizing die with its decap pin removed resized case necks and bumped the shoulder back just enough to allow entry into the chamber of the rifle but left the primer in place. Meet the all-new Taurus Judge Executive Grade, a revolver featuring a hand-polished satin finish, presentation-grade wood grips, a brass rod front sight and an exceptional hand-tuned trigger. The most consistent powder with this bullet proved to be A-2200, producing .52- and .46-inch groups at 4,145 and 4,226 fps with 18 and 18.5 grains of powder, respectively. The .17 HMR loads we use include ammunition from CCI with 17 grain TNT bullet, CCI A17 with 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain TNT bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Hornady with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Remington Premier with 17 grain AccuTip-V bullet and Winchester Supreme with 17 grain V-MAX bullet. Russ, thought I would hijack your thread to report that my 17 Rem. Bullet jump was then extended in 0.005-inch increments until the sweet spot was found. He killed 17 wolves and 6-8 caribou with that load plus who knows how many foxes and coyotes. That meshes closely with Hornadys 200-yard zero figures: +1.1 inches at 100 yards and -6.40 inches at 300 yards. Muzzle velocity was 3,488 fps at a chamber pressure of 46,400 psi. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the muzzle of a rifle in .223 Rem. Longer stick propellants can bridge when flowing through purpose-designed .17 caliber powder dispensing equipment, and for this reason I always weigh my charges carefully and inspect the charged cases prior to the bullet seating operation. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. * We tested two different Marlin Model 917VS and Ruger K77/17VMBBZ rifles. The trim die squeezes the neck down to .17 caliber, and its hardened surface allows squaring up the mouth of the case with a fine-tooth file. The Remington case is about 0.006 inch larger in diameter at its body/shoulder juncture, and its head-space dimension is about 0.004 inch longer. Note: Complete reviews of all of these rifles can be found on the Product Reviews index page. OBrien also offered custom XP-100 pistols chambered for his cartridge, and the barrels were marked .17 Mach III to indicate lower velocity in the shorter barrel. Ive been wrong before when predicting the cartridge-buying habits of small game hunters, but I hope Im not wrong about the .17 Hornady Hornet. Well Russ, you picked a bullet I've never tried. But by using a 7-inch drop tube, I managed to coax in 18.5 grains behind the Berger 30-grain and Hornady 35-grain bullets. Simply run a case through the Ackley full-length resizer and it is ready to load. The .17 Hornets tiny bullets and a small case capacity mean velocities vary considerably with a slight change in powder weight. The introduction of LilGun by Hodgdon in 1999 was one of the best things to happen to the 221 Fireball, and I was curious to see how slower-burning CFE BLK would stack up against it. The 17 Hornet was given a S.A.A.M.I. A decrease in body taper gained back some of the capacity loss, but its gross water capacity is still about one grain less than for Ackleys version. Hodgdon lists as little as 0.3 grain between minimum and maximum powder charges for the .17 Hornady. There are a variety of .17-caliber bullets for handloaders to choose from. The next 10, not so much. It weighs 10.73 pounds scoped and the added Timney Trigger broke crisply at 2.08 pounds. The spring-loaded micrometer head allows for precise bullet seating depth. Primers open another interesting can of worms. It shoots projectiles in the 17- to 20-grain range up to about 2,600 feet per second (fps). But like most rifles in 22 Hornet, the barrels of those in 218 Bee have a rifling twist of 1:16 inches, which is not quick enough to stabilize many of the bullets listed for this cartridge in various reloading manuals. A very accurate varmint load is 43.7 grains of H4895 and 58 grain Hornady V-max - <1/2" 5 shots at 100 yards. The Gunsmith should have the rifle in my hot little hands in about 2 weeks. This is in my opinion an exceptional load as it will not only make small groups but also makes a very good roe deer load and all that at a . Granted, the barrel had undoubtedly become fouled at this point in the test, with no means to remedy that. The 20 grn Vmax had better accuracy and Mr. Nagels 20 grain pill was the most accurate. A chamber pressure of 40,600 CUP is well below the S.A.A.M.I. Beyond that distance, the Swift was the clear winner at bucking wind and dropping whistle pigs in mid-munch. Now lets take a close look at the performance of CFE BLK in several varmint cartridges. The primers that seem to consistently work the best (and are the ones most sources recommend) are the CCI 450, Remington 7.5, and CCI BR-4. Unfortunately, it did not turn in a noteworthy group with this bullet. However, maximum powder charges for the .17 Ackley are 0.2 to 0.7 grain heavier than for the .17 Hornady. I first became aware of his cartridge when reading a gun magazine article in the 1960s. Overall, Hodgdons CFE BLK, Alliants Reloder 10x, Vihtavuoris N133 and Ramshots X-Terminator emerged as clear winners, providing a balanced combination of accuracy and velocity in this fine varminting cartridge. The camera rod of my Lyman borescope is too large in diameter for .17-caliber barrels, so for three of the test rifles I relied on cleaning patches wet with copper solvent to detect the presence of metal fouling. .17 Remington (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 77 loads. Except for the CCI A17 load, all brands claim a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2525-2550 fps and in our chronograph testing actually delivered average MVs of 2550-2650 fps, depending on the load. All are clean burning and temperature insensitive. To barely bump back the shoulders of cases and set headspace on the shoulders, I turned the size die up a partial turn from contacting the shellholder. The Hornady .17 case, however, is a bit shorter in length and to the base of the shoulder than the Ackley case. In addition to delivering much lower velocity spreads, accuracy was better with IMR 4198 and H335. Up front, I expected more from this rifle. 2 scale used in my tests detected no weight variation in charges of CFE BLK dispensed by the Redding measure, IMR 4198 varied by as much as 0.3 grain. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Kills are usually quick and clean, and the fur is usually perfect. The S.A.A.M.I. Hodgdon CFE BLK, Shooters World Blackout and Alliant Reloder 10x were auditioned. This .65-inch, five-shot group was from Johns handloads with Berger 20-grain Flat Base Target bullets and Reloder 7. In Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders, Volume II (1966), Ackley writes about himself: The author may or may not have been the originator of the .17 caliber in this country. During May 2016, he thinned the Idaho rockchuck and ground squirrel populations with a custom pistol in 17 Hornet built around a single-shot Sako A1 action. Using bullets from Hornady V-Max, Hornady V-Max or HP. The use of more streamlined pointed bullets in bolt-action rifles, such as the Winchester 43, Kimber 82, and Sako L46, flattens trajectory and increases downrange punch. H414/W760 behind a 30gr. The 20-grain bullet of Hornady factory ammunition had to free-travel 0.102 inch prior to rifling engagement. Not only that, but it is also stable in a 1:9 twist, which has become the standard in the caliber (from the original 1:10). Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. case and fireforming to minimum body taper and a 40-degree shoulder angle, the 7mm TCU is great fun to shoot due to its extremely mild recoil. Good brushes, a good one-piece rod, a bore guide and a solvent at least equal to Shooter's Choice are all smart investments. H-4198 was also a good powder. Ackley created his first .17 caliber wildcat by necking down the .30 Carbine case. He called it the .17 Pee Wee and built a dramatically scaled-down 1917 Enfield action specifically for it. Give a Gift Plus, whats not to like about a cartridge with a near absence of recoil that shoots flat enough to take small game out to 300 yards? Give a Gift Only a couple of characteristics plague .17-caliber firearms: tiny bullets require delicate rifling that is easily damaged by cleaning equipment; and tiny bores are, well, just plain aggravating to clean. 6 Best .300 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles, Remington .50-70 Rolling Block History: New York's Pick to Arm Its National Guard, .375 H&H Mag. The new powder also flows through good powder measures with minimum charge-to-charge variation in weight. Brass is easily formed by running .221 RFB brass through .17 RFB full-length dies and trimming to 1.40 inches. load in a winchester mod. CFE BLK my go-to .221 Fireball rifle powder produced top velocities and good accuracy, including a .48-inch group at 4,250 fps with 17 grains of powder. 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