While hydraulic brakes seem much more complicated than mechanical disc brakes, the reality is, theyre really not. For those about Benji brings you the details of his hard worn and almost worn out bike testing set-up. While I wouldnt bother carrying these tools on any trip, bleeding Shimano brakes would probably be the easiest to prepare for. Watch Kriss Kyle riding a BMX bowl suspended under a hot air balloon in his spectacular new film, Don't Look Down, Merida has gone full rad on its OneSixty 8000 enduro mountain bike and it rides very well indeed. The exact same could be said about their hubs but how many hub manufacturers forge their hubs? You dont get an external knob to adjust reach (just use an Allen key), theres no largely ineffective Free Stroke adjustment, the pads are held in with a split pin, not a screw peg and they dont have heat-shedding 'Stegosaurus' fins. OP- do you work for hope or maybe have friends that work there? I switch things up a lot, and for that reason, Ive often opted for mechanical brakes on test builds. (Im pretty sure their machining is designed to be really obvious, they certainly have the kit and the skill to make more refined parts but the hardware to make small forgings costs megabucks so better to make their weakness a strength, clever). That is not saying that the Shimanos are anything less than brilliant brakes, but all things being equal, in my opinion the Hopes are better. There is a linear feel to the Tech 4 levers and they have great modulation upon contact with the rotor without feeling spongey. For hydros, theyre also a cinch to bleed, as long as you have the Shimano bleed funnel. Shimano ease of setup theyre a very easy set of brakes to fit. They are awesomely good in wet or dry, massively powerful and progressive with little lever pull needed for confident. We haven't heard yet explicitly, but the XCR brake lever should also be compatible with the flat-mount version of the X2 caliper for those with a flat-mount XC mountain bike frame. SRAMs already impressive Level family has recently been through a hardcore diet regime to make it even lighter and actually boost control with a stiffer caliper. (Eg a cheaper alternative to XTR), Shimano Cons: Adjustability, Feel Pros: Weight, Feel, Outright power on the newer models. Hope Tech M4 My second set of Tech M4s. On the other hand, there are many other reputable options out there such as Hope, Clarks, Magura and Hayes, each of which delivers impressive and trustworthy performance. Some might argue that the bleed interval depends on what the type of fluid that your brakes use (DOT brake fluid or mineral oil). Heres how it works. Heres what Cass Gilbert had to say: Its hard to go back to mechanicals after hydros but when I do, its generally Avid BB7s set up with compressionless cable housing. I should state up front that I love Hope brakes and have used them for the last 6-7 years, but will try to be as objective as possible. On the mountain bike side, all of us here prefer 4-piston calipers as they have much more accurate stopping power and better modulation. Shimano makes utterly trustworthy, seemingly indestructible and very affordable kit very well and the latest Deore M6100 brake (and the M6000 before it) is the absolute epitome of that. The Shimano rotors especially look pretty low rent. Almost all automobiles use DOT fluid, but usually DOT3. Loose surfaces, weather conditions and endless lines make direct comparison impossible. Future Publishing Limited Quay House, The Ambury, ), but mono 4s and now evo m4 races (which were the most fiddly to set up right) have been faultless from megavalnches to gravity enduros, I can easily 1 finger endo my with my evos and Im no lightweight, not ridden the latest shimanos but the ones I have ridden seemed to work fine just a bit more wooden than the hopes, Not sure what you want he ends up giving an opinion and a reason Theyre also easy to maintain and the large sprocket-shaped adjustment discs make them simple to calibrate. Then I bought a set of Saint M810s and I wondered why I had bothered running Hope brakes for so long. The Bikepacking Journal is our biannual printed publication. In comparison, the Shimano lever/reservoir units and callipers look merely functional, to my mid a bit ugly, and probably not as crash resistant, but of course these things have no impact on performance for 99.9% of the time. How they deliver that power is quite different though. I think for me, the issue isnt about power between different brakes as they are much of a muchness. Contact point adjustment seems to work much better than earlier versions of the Guide or Code brakes. Everything we love about XT brakes, but with more power and even better heat management. As well as making brakes, Magura is a massive automotive plastics manufacturer so perhaps no surprise they mix the two on their long-running MT series, but that definitely defines their character. We opted for a floating rotor, which has a stainless-steel braking surface loosely riveted to an aluminium carrier. Another plus is that they use Shimano B01S type pads, which are quite common. However I accept that others will prefer the feel of the Shimanos as this is subjective personal preference. He spent a few years working in bike shops and warehouses before starting writing and testing for bike mags in 1996. The main issues are servicing, parts availability and life. Just make sure your frame and forks are big disc compatible too. Hope cant forge parts like that so they cnc them, but it makes for a heavier and (for a given weight) weaker part. Endura has entered the helmet market across the pond, with helmets now certified to USA standards and on sale now. DOT3 isnt the same as DOT5.1, which is whats used in SRAM/Avid and Hope brakes. You'll want to fit the best mountain bike brakes you can, as brakes are arguably the most important control component on your bike. Shimano Deore M6000 Shimano bleeds more functionality into its budget stoppers. They were trimmed and installed without the need for a bleed, and have been working flawlessly since day one, save a little chirping squeak in the front brake that eventually went away. My biggest peeve with hydros is how difficult they are to move from bike to bike, particularly with modern frames that have thru-routing. But, they are pretty expensive (have you seen how much rotors cost!). You will be redirected once the validation is complete. Most MTBs can now accept well above 200mm rotors front and rear, with DH and eBikes now commonly using dual 220mm rotors. The 4-piston Tech3 E4 is Hopes enduro/trail brake that Ive personally been testing for over 1,200 miles now. The Hope lever is much longer than the Shimano which could be a positive or negative from your point of view. The result is eye-straining power (just 1% behind Magura MT5 on the dyno) delivered with utterly reliable repetition in all conditions. Thin rotors result in extra modulation. My favorite hydraulic brakes for trail riding and bikepacking would also be a toss-up between the Hope Tech3 E4swhich have proven to be extremely reliable and offer some of the best power and braking modulation Ive tried to dateand the venerable 4-piston Shimano XT. The only one weve tried so far is the Yokozuna Ultimo. Post mount is the standard used on most modern mountain bikes and allows different size rotors to be used via adapters. Generally speaking, the larger the rotors, the more stopping power. More exotic rotors might also require a matching set of pads. Shimano claim 20% more grunt than a two-piston XT, but it felt like more! BIKEPACKING.com is dedicated to exploration by bicycle. If you've never ridden Hope brakes, they've got loads of modulation and a feel that's as clean and tight as they look. All rights reserved. The special edition 10th issue of The Bikepacking Journal is one you wont want to miss! disc brake, mountain bike, Hayes, Shimano, TRP. I used to use Shimano, but I hated the looks. The reason hydraulic disc brakes are more powerful than mechanical disc brakes is that the master cylinder multiplies the force put into the brake lever through the line, creating more braking force than what was applied at the brake lever. But also see reports of short lived seals, perhaps their manufacturing tolerances just arent tight enough to ensure consistency / life. Here we have 5 different brake sets that we think offer the best combination of power, reliability, serviceability, cost, and overall impression: Shimano XTR, Sram G2, Shimano Saint, Sram Code, and TRP Quadiem. Hubs on 7 of 8 bikes. Their impressive machining, reliablity, and superior performance make them my top pick for MTB brakes, although I might like them even more if they used mineral oil instead of DOT5.1 fluid. Either way, the bite point adjuster dial feels crisper and clickier on G2 and the return feels faster and lighter thanks to improved piston seals at the calliper end. Or downgrade depending on how big your riding group is ! I think the conclusion to this thread has to be buy whatever you like, all have pros and cons, just dont buy Avid, as they are shiiiiite! When riding off-road, disc brakes are essential. If youre the kind of person who seeks out artisan sourdough loaves, rather than grabbing some Tip Top off the shelf at Woolies, then youll appreciate Hopes handmade in the UK approach. An interesting opportunity. Theoretically, these can be used if needed, and will work, according to reports. Replacement cables can easily be carried by stashing them inside your bike tubing, or, since theyre generally the same cables used for most rim brakes, they can be found in virtually any bike shop around the world. 70.00 + 5.00 Postage. Formula The One My first outing on Formula brakes. How much that matters considering the differences between cnc and forging I dont know as Im not an engineer. Oh how wrong I was. so the review is based on 7 years on Hope v a mooch round on Shimanos? The significant differences are price, reliability and lever feel. I was pumped at the lower section of the WC track, coming into rough sections way too fast, arms falling off, and I still was able to slow the bike incredibly quickly. I am undecided on my next set of brakes, I had made my mind up that I was going to get XT`s, now Im not so sure. The Print+ . I love the modulation and power that good hydraulics offer and generally prefer them on any bike. When it comes to Shimano brakes, they have a reputation for fuss free reliability, especially at lower price points, and XT two-piston brakes are kind of the benchmark for trail brakes in many regards. MisMatch 1.2 fits Shimano brakes: BL-M9020, BL-M9000, BL-M8000, BL-M7000, BL-M6000 Shimano Shifters and MatchMaker X-equipped SRAM or Avid Brakes: MisMatch 2.0 - DISCONTINUED MisMatch 2.1 - DISCONTINUED MisMatch 2.2fits Shimano shifters with removable I-Spec integration plates: SL-M9000-I, SL-M8000-I * Does NOT fit SL-M7000-I Reliability is surely the most important issue. I couldnt see past Hope for a long time. Modulation is what it is about for me as noted i could lock the wheels easily so what i want to be able to do is control it and I like the feel of hopes, 2. Shimano often has one of the lightest feeling throws in the bunch and the Tech 4s feel even lighter and smoother. Can I use this instead of shimano hose or do they have some vastly different internal diameter or something similarly funky? Theyre the softer of the two and have a more modulated/feathered feel (vs. on-off) which makes them a little quieter. A big group, Id call that 20 ? The Shimano XT two piston brakes (BR-8100) are the most common brakes on the market, working on bikes from your cross country race rig to mid travel bikes. Hayes' new Dominion gives a more progressive, lighter feel and some neat touches like sideways caliper adjustment. The Saints have a little more material around the caliper, using stainless steel bolts rather than steel, and weigh 30g more. Last month, I took a set of Avid Elixir R, Hope Tech M4s and Formula The One to Nevis Range and tried each set on the DH track (on my HT). Theyre one of my top choices for big multi-month trips. Brake pads come in all shapes and sizes. That being said I hate bleeding Avids and my bikes in the shop at the minute as I gave up with trying to do them . Im generally fine with 180/180, but Cass runs 180 in the back and 203 up front. Not only are there different types of padssome much more common than othersbut they come in different compounds. Great looking kit that works well and is backed up by really good customer service. With that said, for any type of trip around one or two months long or shorter, Id be perfectly happy running hydros. Theres a lot to be said to riding on your own ! An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. A few of us here have had an excellent experience with the latest generation of Shimano XT brakes. Headset, hubs, brakes. Additionally, a larger rotor offers more braking surface to dissipate heat. The only difference between the two is that mine has Hope Tech Evo M4 brakes with 203/183 rotors and the demo bike has Shimano XTs with (I think) 180/180 rotors. www.hopetech.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. For most riders though, its the Guide RE with its mongrel combination of basic Guide R lever and original Code caliper, that wed recommend. Flat mount is a newer standard found on drop bar bikes. No idea how I keep ending up with sets (actually, yes I do, its because theyre often sold for under 50 and I just cant say no!). Ill probably get blasted for this, but I would say not really. I find this review anything but objective. Start at our worldwide routes map to dig into our detailed guides with GPS maps and inspiring photography. Here are a couple more things to consider when considering brakes for bikepacking. An interesting opportunity therefore to directly compare the two brakes on otherwise identical bikes so please excuse the long post. Does that mean you can strap 220mm rotors to your XC race machine? Cant believe how powerful they are for the weight. The British manufacturer has been making brakes for almost as long as proper mountain bikes have been widely available and this their latest model builds on a long line of superb stoppers to be the best brake they've ever made. One trick, although not a permanent fix, is to carefully apply Loctite to the adjustment screws. Not ridden Hopes for long enough to form an opinion. Note that this hasnt been tested by any of us. As such, we consider them to be a pretty good long-term investment. Please, It appears you're using an old version of Internet Explorer which is. If having brilliant backup is what youre after then nobody beats Hope, who has a van at practically every UK event and will bend over backwards to help if you have an issue. After that peculiar bike brake renaissance, mechanical discs became the gold standard for bike tourers, and disc brakes have all but replaced rim brakes across all categories of cyclingsave retro-tech aficionados, classic bike enthusiasts, and the budget/mass-market side of the industry. One other thing to consider is the type of brake mounts on your bike. The modulation and consistency really shine in situations where all hell is breaking loose around you but the finger to trail connection stays weirdly calm. I like the look of Hope, the machining is nice to look at and feel but ironically, its an inferior option- Hope cant forge parts like that so they cnc them, but it makes for a heavier and (for a given weight) weaker part. Several of us like TRP Spyke (MTB) and Spyres (drop-bars), which arguably have a little bit better modulation than Klampers and are quite powerful. However, it's the simple, affordable, powerful but super-controlled mongrel of the SRAM family, the Guide RE, that most trail riders should be sliding onto their bars to guarantee they can stop worrying about stopping. Theres a learning curve when it comes to bleeding brakes. Overview Shimano XTR cutting edge braking technology, lightweight and powerful easily adaptable post-style 4 pot hydraulic disc brake calliper 4 ceramic pistons optimised for heat insulation, lightweight and stiffness Opposed 4-piston design reduces leading effect and optimal pad wear increases braking control Super . BikePerfect is part of Future plc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. You do get Shimano's Servo Wave technology, filtered down from higher brake tiers, which alters pad movement and increase power. So, youll need a specialized short-pull lever, like PAULs Canti Levers, in order to work with short-pull flat mount calipers. I love the modulation on my xts btw and would never go back to being hopeless on the brakes! The lever brake has a reach adjust tool with a minimum lever reach adjustment of 75mm. What is it that sets our sport apart from most of the other sports/hobbies/lifestyles out there? Those MT-200s are super basic and work as will the Promax upgrade you got. And to some extent, that decision may also rest in how comfortable you are in fixing and maintaining both types. In comparison, the Shimano lever/reservoir units and callipers look merely functional, to my mid a bit ugly, and probably not as crash resistant, I personally prefer the feel of the Hope lever as it is bigger and more solid (and probably because I am more used to it). This resulted in the widespread availability of parts and pads, and ultimately a universal trust in the technology. However, its unclear if the lack of seal protectants have any adverse effects on reliability. $87.31 . We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Pros: Price, Reliability, Formula Cons: Reliability, Price, Spare Parts Support That is one of those in depth posts I hope to find when I am researching my next bike related purchase. Which has more power and which comes out on top of the theoretical brake power tests in the mags is completely irrelevant. As you'd expect, the Tech 4 E4s are superbly powerful, but are also silky smooth and incredibly precise. TRPs Quadiem brake has been refined with input from downhill mountain bike legend Aaron Gwin and while the basic version doesnt have the polished finish of his signature model, performance is basically identical. Those brakes you got are an upgrades and cost about $15 more a set. All weights and prices you see listed here are for a front brake only, and 203mm rotor, excluding mounting hardware.So, without further ado. Interesting to read your opinion but it is not objective. (Image credit: Shimano) There are various differences between the two sets of rotors, the most noticeable of which is that the cooling fins are smaller in size on the XTR rotors and leave. The love-child of hydros and mechanical disc brakes is also worth mentioning here. Never had any problem beyond bleeding with mine and once had to sort out a stuckpiston in fairness I had not used the bike for 6 months ish, My view price or weight get Shimano The reach and bite point adjustability of the Hopes is better than the Shimanos and I personally love the feel of the Hope levers. You can also get 100% pure mineral oil in most pharmacies, and baby oil is mineral oil-based, but may contain fragrances or other additives. Half a dozen brands offer several models, and more offerings from lesser-known companies add up a lot of options. Please post more on this forum. Took a few rides to stop dragging completely. We believe travel by bicycle has the power to encourage conservation, inclusivity, and respect for all people and cultures. I think hydros are super reliable most of the time, but if one does fail for one reason or another, its difficult to do much about it, compared with carrying a spare steel cable. Shimano Saint M820 Brakes Specs Weight: +/- 450g each, depending on hose length Usable with finned or non-finned pads, with resin or metallic compound Four-piston caliper Hydraulic hose: SM-BH90 Mineral oil brake fluid Tool-free reach adjust Price: $240 each MSRP Available at Jenson USA and other online retailers To get the most out of the highest performing disc brakes, they need to be paired with rotors that perform equally well. They also last nearly twice as long as resin pads. That makes them a comically cost-effective option if your budget is tight. Also, the tensile strength of Hopes aluminium alloy blows the magnesium on your formulas out the water. Or is downcountry the dubstep of MTB? Each issue features a collection of inspiring writing and beautiful photography. Own both, would agree with nearly all that. In fact, theres practically no difference. If you want to say you use the same brakes as Aaron Gwin and never weigh your bike then TRPs big Quadiems are worth a look. Do you work for SHIMANO ? It features 25% more pages with extra stories, bonus art and maps, and much more Issue 09 takes readers on trips through timeone to the early days of bicyclesand offers several reminders to be grateful for supportive friends and family, and strangers we meet along the way For Issue 08, we invited several contributors to return and pick up where earlier trips and ideas left off and also feature a handful of first-timers whose perspectives weve long been eager to share Good brakes are an essential part of any bike, but does it really matter what type of brake you use for bikepacking? England and Wales company registration number 2008885. Weve never found it a useful feature on Shimano brakes. But objectively, for the price of a Deore brake all you can do with Hope is buy a couple of sets of pads then squeeze them onto the rotor by hand, so I reckon Shimano have them beat on that level. Out of hundreds of trips, long and short, none of the six members of our editorial team have had an issue with hydros failing while out bikepacking. This website requires Javascript for optimum viewing purposes. A small group = 5 ? We were certainly impressed by them, but havent put in enough mileage in challenging conditions to give them a fair long-term durability test. Nice enough but just dont feel as good as Avids to me. Bent rotors and a lack of replacement parts and pads were the main concerns. Ive got the last model Hope Minis on my bike (the black and silver ones). Rides: Pace RC295, Cotic FlareMax, Specialized Chisel, Vielo V+1 gravel bike, Nicolai FS Enduro, Landescape custom gravel tandem, Best cheap MTB pedals 2023 flat and clipless options that won't break the bank, Best winter MTB boots 2023 weatherproof mountain bike boots for winter riding. Free shipping for many products! Clarks and Deore will never hit DH (downhill) level deceleration but on the basis of each 20mm bigger you go on the rotor adding an extra 20 percent of power, you can certainly get them to the trail-taming point by upsizing your discs. For more info, check out our full Hope Tech 4 E4 brake review. With just two cylinders and no power boost linkage, outright power is unsurprisingly down on big four-pot DH brakes but within a slightly firmer squeeze of most four-pot trail brakes. Ive had a couple of sets of Juicys, two sets of Codes and a set of Elixir R. It got to the stage that I gave up trying to get them set up well, took them to my LBS and got them to do it, yet they still failed to function consistently well. what we liked, and what we didnt! I am sure that with a longer ride I would have started to get more used to the Shimano characteristics. 60.00 + 4.69 Postage. Posted: Jun 8, 2012 at 3:44 Quote: just thought i'd add to this.. bit late i know. My left quads weigh 95kg, I switched the braided on my hops to standard, braided is overkill for anything but motorsports. I rode an identical set up save for the forks and the front end braking was washy in comparison as the forks on the donor bike were under Specced in my opinion, this totally affected braking. The two most common these days are post mount and flat mount. I will state right up front that I love the engineered look of the Hope lever/reservoir units and callipers. Continue with Recommended Cookies, Search the forum using the power of Google. 492g (front brake with 180mm rotor and mount), 461g (front brake with 180mm rotor and mount), 545g (front brake with 180mm rotor and mount), 475g (front brake with 180mm rotor and mount), 463g (front brake with 180mm rotor and mount), 489g (front brake with 180mm rotor and mount), 438g (front brake with 180mm rotor and mount), 352g (front brake with 180mm rotor and mount), 469g (front brake with 180mm rotor and mount), How to choose the best mountain bike brakes. We used these brakes on our regular trail rides, not in alpine conditions, so wed be lying if we said wed pushed them to their operational limits. In fact, they're even similar in price. What did you want they are both excellent get which you want or some marketing blurb Properly summit to valley floor mountain proof, 'All Conditions' pad option will suit most riders better, Evergreen monster power brake at a great price, Not everyone will need the included rotors, Love/hate brake feel but undoubted max power bargain, Pricey but powerful and communicative comeback brake, Wide adjustment, easy set up and bleeding, Not as subtle or adjustable as pricier SRAM brakes, The best feel and modulation of any brake around, Codes offer significantly more power for a little weight penalty, Unique looks, fantastic support, adequate performance, Great reliability and ridiculously good back up, We check over 250 million products every day for the best prices. If the Alps or at least the local downhill trails/bike park are a regular riding destination, then power and top to bottom control obviously trump weight saving. We inspire and inform through original bikepacking routes, stories, and coverage of the gear, news, and events that make our community thrive. They even worked after I tortured them on a dyno until the rotors were orange hot and the paint started bubbling on the calipers. Shimano rotors will operate properly with Hope brakes when the following criteria are met: The diameter of the rotors should match the one supported by the brakes. BA1 1UA. H Hackdan10 Registered Joined Mar 10, 2010 Thanks in advance for spreading the word! Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Hope mono M4 hydraulic rear disc brake at the best online prices at eBay! Ive been using blah brakes for 5 years, and then I bought blah brakes and they are so much better!. Have both, shimano are decent enough and great value for money but the hopes outperform them by a long way ime, but cost roughly twice as much. TESTED: Four-Piston Brakes - SRAM Code RSC, Shimano XT M8020 and Hope E4 - Flow Mountain Bike THE BEST WAY TO MAKE YOUR MTB HUB LOUDER!! It's important to keep in mind that each of these different brake sets were ridden and tested with "stock" rotors and pads. Think thats just due to my braking style, I dont drag brakes, I tend to be on them or off them. Wed be tempted to run the non-finned version. Bespoken Word one down, eleven to go Watch Call of a Life Time a behind the scenes look at a grueling season of US gravel and MTB racing. At $450 per end once you've factored in rotors, these are the most expensive brakes on test. 'SHIMANO()16mgl2!10!!!3! Hope offers a bewildering array of rotors for the V4 - from 140mm to 225mm, floating or fixed, and even different thicknesses, and in about 20 million colours. Be careful of the outboard hose attachment on uplifts though. Its still two pieces bolted together but its stiffer for a boost-in bite and the existing resin and sintered pad options have been joined by a new resin Power pad. Lack of Swing Link leverage change means delivery of its hefty power is dramatic so be careful while bedding it in. Brake pads come in two main types of compounds. Which is better if youre only talking about two. Nowadays, hydraulic brakes have become a new norm for a lot of bikepackers, as wire brakes get denigrated to the old-tech bin. My experience of Shimano brakes (not on this bike) is two sets of Saints and a set of SLX. All that said, even if you dont feel they need it, bleeding your brakes every year (or six months, if you ride a lot) can help reduce the chance of contamination. More here. Hydros require more knowledge and pre-trip experience with how they work. Examples: Shimano SM-RT56 is compatible with resin pads only ( literally written on the rotor) while SM-RT64 can work with both resin and metal pads. Swing Link leverage change, bite point adjustment that actually works, easy reach adjustment and sweet syncing with SRAM remotes and shifters at the bar end of the RSC are brilliant. An objective view is closed to new replies. Its proved a total smash hit with anyone looking for a rowdy brake at an affordable price, so its stayed in the line up alongside Code and the new G2. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Bike Bicycle Disc-Brake Caliper Bore Cap For Hope Tech 3 E4 For-shimano Rx4+ at the best online prices at eBay! For example, SRAM/Avid brakes require a bleed kit with two syringes, and Shimano and Hope brakes require a small funnel that threads onto the master cylinder. Feedback from the big first-generation Code caliper at the far end is clear and consistently progressive all the way down the longest descents. Good metal/sintered brake pads can last 1,000+ miles and are easy to replace. Were pleased to say the Codes were nothing short of excellent. 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